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They gave that to the Unabomber, Luke Scott, and that jerk who drove into Heather Heyer in Charlottesville.
I have zero tolerance for that nonsense...my tax dollars provided the Unabomber with three squares a day, a bunk, medical care, and a TV set for decades. His victims lie six feet under or are maimed for life.
Agreed. I’ve followed this case closely, and I’ll never get that image of the blood streaming out through the siding two floors down outside that house. I can’t even imagine the scene inside. How he gets to brutally slay 4 young lives and then have the audacity to make a deal to avoid a firing squad. He needs to be tied to a bed and get the same treatment he performed, except much slower. We can hope his creepy weirdo behavior gets us all some vigilante justice by other inmates.
Yes, and a long time in prison will not bring them back, neither would the death penalty. They are 4 people that were killed. One more does not even the score. They are still gone.
Don’t believe we should have death penalty. Mostly applied in racist & bigoted way & has no specific or general deterrence impact. Look at studies on it.
I think the death penalty is misused, and not only for the racial reasons you point out.
If politicians, Enron crooks, Bernie Madoff, the Watergate crowd, Frazier Glenn Miller, Matthew Hale, and white-collar criminals knew that the penalty for misdeeds that impoverish people and carve up the Constitution knew they might face death for their crimes — instead of a few years at Club Fed, working on their tennis backhand — maybe we’d have fewer such people.
They might think twice before accepting that bribe, manipulating that stock, and swindling their employees.
studies show that impact - deterring crime - does not occur. I think it's more human nature than the type of crime. But it's true it's not been studied about white collar crime as the death penalty is not applied.
Well, in Newark, we address crime as a public health issue, so we work on its causes — engaging disaffected youth, improving neighborhoods, and bringing in clergy members to assist law enforcement. We actually are a very religious city, so our folks listen when pastors speak.
We also work hard on breaking cycles of recidivism and domestic abuse. We have programs to teach fathers to be fathers, for example. I’ve written about our Shani Baraka Women’s Center, our Office of Violence Prevention and Trauma Recovery, and our Street Teams.
I agree with you that it is difficult…a good chunk of our criminals are of the career variety as well as the hopelessly drug-addicted, whose only concern is financing their next “fix.”
I don’t think much study is done on white collar crime and corruption…it’s regarded by many people as “the cost of doing business,” while the stranger (usually black) who jumps out of the bush, grabs your wife’s handbag, and then decides to violate her is seen as the “real criminal.” The ghastly human beings who shoot up the Sandy Hook School or the Borgata Hotel are regarded as “nutballs” out of some horror movie, and they usually meet the fate of said filmic villain, until the next horror (or movie) appears.
Maybe it’s the old curmudgeon in me, but the only plea deal I would want to give this loathsome waste of genetic material is to not light him on fire before executing him.
EXACTLY! And out tax dollars are keeping these miscreants alive for the rest of their lives...rather disgusting to me. Those 4 young people have no lives left!
Exodus 21:12 God provides for the death penalty but Idaho is a deplorable state after treating that wonderful teacher horribly wrong for posting her “All are Welcome” sign with all the raised arms of different colors.
So the victims families won’t be able to see the killer “squirm”. That doesn’t sound like getting justice. The fact that this guy will be put away forever should be justice enough. I’m not a lawyer but, do families really get a sense of satisfaction by going to a drab courtroom day after day after day to stare down someone that probably gives them mass amounts of anxiety? The victims are gone, nothing can change that. The sooner the healing process can start, the sooner they can return to some sense of normality.
I’ve followed this case since it started, always thought he was guilty, but was waiting for the trial to begin to hear the evidence. This person had the knowledge, means and experience to evade prosecution and delayed trial by not entering a plea. As much as I’m against the death penalty, I empathize with the families for not getting the justice they deserve “an eye for an eye”. This individual was cowardly and although he murdered 4 young people, he couldn’t face what he so justly deserves, what he did to them.
If a murderer gets a life sentence without a chance for parole, that’s enough for me. A death sentence is more costly for the government and is more about revenge than justice. Think about why many mass murderers kill themselves rather than submit to arrest - is it possible that life imprisonment is a greater threat than execution?
They gave that to the Unabomber, Luke Scott, and that jerk who drove into Heather Heyer in Charlottesville.
I have zero tolerance for that nonsense...my tax dollars provided the Unabomber with three squares a day, a bunk, medical care, and a TV set for decades. His victims lie six feet under or are maimed for life.
Agreed. I’ve followed this case closely, and I’ll never get that image of the blood streaming out through the siding two floors down outside that house. I can’t even imagine the scene inside. How he gets to brutally slay 4 young lives and then have the audacity to make a deal to avoid a firing squad. He needs to be tied to a bed and get the same treatment he performed, except much slower. We can hope his creepy weirdo behavior gets us all some vigilante justice by other inmates.
He may actually draw the admiration of his fellow cons, for his violence.
Oddly enough he may actually attract groupies.
Yeah, I am amazed at how women offer marriage to guys doing life.
Some even get reality shows.
Or he may wind up like Jeffrey Dahmer. 28 months in prison, then murdered by a fellow inmate.
Yes, and a long time in prison will not bring them back, neither would the death penalty. They are 4 people that were killed. One more does not even the score. They are still gone.
Absolutely!
Don’t believe we should have death penalty. Mostly applied in racist & bigoted way & has no specific or general deterrence impact. Look at studies on it.
I think the death penalty is misused, and not only for the racial reasons you point out.
If politicians, Enron crooks, Bernie Madoff, the Watergate crowd, Frazier Glenn Miller, Matthew Hale, and white-collar criminals knew that the penalty for misdeeds that impoverish people and carve up the Constitution knew they might face death for their crimes — instead of a few years at Club Fed, working on their tennis backhand — maybe we’d have fewer such people.
They might think twice before accepting that bribe, manipulating that stock, and swindling their employees.
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studies show that impact - deterring crime - does not occur. I think it's more human nature than the type of crime. But it's true it's not been studied about white collar crime as the death penalty is not applied.
Well, in Newark, we address crime as a public health issue, so we work on its causes — engaging disaffected youth, improving neighborhoods, and bringing in clergy members to assist law enforcement. We actually are a very religious city, so our folks listen when pastors speak.
We also work hard on breaking cycles of recidivism and domestic abuse. We have programs to teach fathers to be fathers, for example. I’ve written about our Shani Baraka Women’s Center, our Office of Violence Prevention and Trauma Recovery, and our Street Teams.
I agree with you that it is difficult…a good chunk of our criminals are of the career variety as well as the hopelessly drug-addicted, whose only concern is financing their next “fix.”
I don’t think much study is done on white collar crime and corruption…it’s regarded by many people as “the cost of doing business,” while the stranger (usually black) who jumps out of the bush, grabs your wife’s handbag, and then decides to violate her is seen as the “real criminal.” The ghastly human beings who shoot up the Sandy Hook School or the Borgata Hotel are regarded as “nutballs” out of some horror movie, and they usually meet the fate of said filmic villain, until the next horror (or movie) appears.
DISGUSTING. THIS IS NOT JUSTICE!!! For God’s sake, Idaho - WAKE the fuck up!!!
Glad he will never be free—4 consecutive life sentences.
I believe he is guilty but don’t believe anyone, or the state, has the right to take a life. I am a former champion of the death penalty.
Read Exodus 21:12.
I’m appalled!!! But I’m not surprised with the state of everything else these days.
He's white isn't he. That's why the plea bargain was accepted. It's racist Idaho.
Maybe it’s the old curmudgeon in me, but the only plea deal I would want to give this loathsome waste of genetic material is to not light him on fire before executing him.
Those poor kids didn't get to make a deal...why should he?????
I have always believed you don't make deals with the devil.......
EXACTLY! And out tax dollars are keeping these miscreants alive for the rest of their lives...rather disgusting to me. Those 4 young people have no lives left!
The death penalty should be abolished. Maybe a payoff with people in power in this case, money talks in trumps america
Exodus 21:12 God provides for the death penalty but Idaho is a deplorable state after treating that wonderful teacher horribly wrong for posting her “All are Welcome” sign with all the raised arms of different colors.
I don’t see him surviving long in prison.
If the death penalty isn't warranted in this case why even have it ! A juror will never get to vote . Unamerican !
So the victims families won’t be able to see the killer “squirm”. That doesn’t sound like getting justice. The fact that this guy will be put away forever should be justice enough. I’m not a lawyer but, do families really get a sense of satisfaction by going to a drab courtroom day after day after day to stare down someone that probably gives them mass amounts of anxiety? The victims are gone, nothing can change that. The sooner the healing process can start, the sooner they can return to some sense of normality.
I’ve followed this case since it started, always thought he was guilty, but was waiting for the trial to begin to hear the evidence. This person had the knowledge, means and experience to evade prosecution and delayed trial by not entering a plea. As much as I’m against the death penalty, I empathize with the families for not getting the justice they deserve “an eye for an eye”. This individual was cowardly and although he murdered 4 young people, he couldn’t face what he so justly deserves, what he did to them.
Total COWARD!
I’m outraged, too. I’m not necessarily for the death penalty, either; but if he was dead, he wouldn’t be able to get a pardon.
were the victims of Spanish decent?
Thanks for the bigotry.
I can’t believe they didn’t consult the families lies. That’s crazy stuff.
If a murderer gets a life sentence without a chance for parole, that’s enough for me. A death sentence is more costly for the government and is more about revenge than justice. Think about why many mass murderers kill themselves rather than submit to arrest - is it possible that life imprisonment is a greater threat than execution?